Comments on: Can I give supplements with Chemotherapy? http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/ Dr. Demian Dressler, DVM, the dog cancer vet blogs about canine cancer Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:54:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dr. Dressler http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2393 Dr. Dressler Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:30:48 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2393 Dear Charles, Thank you very much for raising this important point. The answer is that the dose (extrapolated from humans) is correct but the example is incorrect. Thus the calculation is 200 mg. As always, have your vet involved with your dog's treatments. I will be sure to rectify this in the hard copy second edition of the e-book. Thanks again! Dr D Dear Charles,
Thank you very much for raising this important point.
The answer is that the dose (extrapolated from humans) is correct but the example is incorrect.
Thus the calculation is 200 mg.
As always, have your vet involved with your dog’s treatments.
I will be sure to rectify this in the hard copy second edition of the e-book.
Thanks again!
Dr D

]]> By: Charles Easterday http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2355 Charles Easterday Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:33:29 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2355 I want to use indole-3-carbinol, but the dosage in the book was not consistent. There was an earlier question, which I am copying: i really getting a lot out of your book. in reading about indole 3-carbinol.. in one place you say 15-25 mg/ 10 lbs.. then later you repeat this dosage, but then “for example” a 50 lb dog would get 750-1250 mg daily. help? is it 75 or 750? I have a 80 pound dog, so 25 mg per 10 lbs would be 200 mg, which one pill is 200 mg. Is one pill a day what she should be geting. Your example, my dog would need 2,000 mg or 10 pills. I started today and gave her one pill. Please let me know. I want to use indole-3-carbinol, but the dosage in the book was not consistent. There was an earlier question, which I am copying:

i really getting a lot out of your book.
in reading about indole 3-carbinol.. in one place you say 15-25 mg/ 10 lbs.. then later you repeat this dosage, but then “for example” a 50 lb dog would get 750-1250 mg daily.
help? is it 75 or 750?

I have a 80 pound dog, so 25 mg per 10 lbs would be 200 mg, which one pill is 200 mg. Is one pill a day what she should be geting. Your example, my dog would need 2,000 mg or 10 pills. I started today and gave her one pill. Please let me know.

]]> By: Dr. Dressler http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2323 Dr. Dressler Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:42:27 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2323 Dear Christy. dog cancer supplementation is a huge area. I applaud your efforts to do everything you can to be your dog's number one health advocate! I spent years assessing the various supplements out there in a critical analysis, looking for efficacy in real life bodies (not just test tubes or petri dishes), bioavailability (getting the substance to the cancer cells in sufficient quanities to do something), and oral activity (you want something that works when taken by mouth, not by an injection since this is not an option for most). The top choices are luteolin, artemisinin, curcumin, EGCG, and Neoplasene. I have blogged on these in this blog (search for each + dog cancer blog) and also provide a comprehensive plan with dosages, side effects and so on in The <a href="http://www.dogcancersurvival.com" rel="nofollow">Dog Cancer Survival Guide</a>. Don't forget about diet, life quality enrichment, adequate darkness in sleep, social and other stress reduction, and so on too. Best of luck Dr D Dear Christy.
dog cancer supplementation is a huge area. I applaud your efforts to do everything you can to be your dog’s number one health advocate! I spent years assessing the various supplements out there in a critical analysis, looking for efficacy in real life bodies (not just test tubes or petri dishes), bioavailability (getting the substance to the cancer cells in sufficient quanities to do something), and oral activity (you want something that works when taken by mouth, not by an injection since this is not an option for most).
The top choices are luteolin, artemisinin, curcumin, EGCG, and Neoplasene. I have blogged on these in this blog (search for each + dog cancer blog) and also provide a comprehensive plan with dosages, side effects and so on in The Dog Cancer Survival Guide. Don’t forget about diet, life quality enrichment, adequate darkness in sleep, social and other stress reduction, and so on too.
Best of luck
Dr D

]]> By: christy http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2306 christy Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:57:25 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2306 Hello Dr. D, My 7 yof Schnauzer/mix Kadee-did just finished her 25 wk chemo protocol for Lymphoma. She went into remission after her first dose. Yesterday was her last treatment. I was wondering if there are any supplements that could help ward off this horrible cancer. I have read about it & realize that in some animals it does come back. I just pray that it doesn't come back in Kadee! She did GREAT with Chemo-never had the 1st side effect. I do have pet insurance & I encourage anyone that doesn't have it to get it! www.petinsurance.com I am just wanting to do what is best for her right after these treatments to help her health!!!! Thank you so much for your time! God Bless, Christy Parton Hello Dr. D,
My 7 yof Schnauzer/mix Kadee-did just finished her 25 wk chemo protocol for Lymphoma. She went into remission after her first dose. Yesterday was her last treatment. I was wondering if there are any supplements that could help ward off this horrible cancer. I have read about it & realize that in some animals it does come back. I just pray that it doesn’t come back in Kadee! She did GREAT with Chemo-never had the 1st side effect. I do have pet insurance & I encourage anyone that doesn’t have it to get it! http://www.petinsurance.com I am just wanting to do what is best for her right after these treatments to help her health!!!! Thank you so much for your time!
God Bless,
Christy Parton

]]> By: Mark http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2289 Mark Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:46:46 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2289 Dr. D, Thank you very much for the information. Best Regards, Mark Dr. D,

Thank you very much for the information.

Best Regards,
Mark

]]> By: Dr. Dressler http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2276 Dr. Dressler Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:31:23 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2276 Dear Mark, this is a tough cancer, as they tend to be fairly resistant to chemotherapy, and I think the interference issue here is not a big one due to that (in my opinion): "Mitoxantrone, carboplatin, and doxorubicin seem to be effective drugs. When added to piroxicam, you probably gain time measured in months, but it's very difficult to be precise, perhaps 3-6. I'd start with two cycles of one drug and re-assess.... Bob Rosenthal, DVM, PhD DACVIM (SAIM, Oncology) DACVR (Radiation Oncology)" I would consider perhaps some of the big guns in the e-book (artemisinin, luteolin, and EGCG to start with). I wrote on all of these on this blog and you can search using the google toolbar and "dog cancer blog". For example, "artemisinin dog cancer blog". I would also have you check into oral and injectable neoplasene with your vet (also in the blog) for after the chemo. The fish oil, although nice, would not be the very first thing I would use, but can be added as an addition to all of the above. Diet, life quality enhancement, self esteem building, increasing social outlets are all part of a full spectrum plan. Best, Dr D Dear Mark,
this is a tough cancer, as they tend to be fairly resistant to chemotherapy, and I think the interference issue here is not a big one due to that (in my opinion):

“Mitoxantrone, carboplatin, and doxorubicin seem to be effective drugs. When added to piroxicam, you probably gain time measured in months, but it’s very difficult to be precise, perhaps 3-6. I’d start with two cycles of one drug and re-assess….

Bob Rosenthal, DVM, PhD
DACVIM (SAIM, Oncology)
DACVR (Radiation Oncology)”

I would consider perhaps some of the big guns in the e-book (artemisinin, luteolin, and EGCG to start with). I wrote on all of these on this blog and you can search using the google toolbar and “dog cancer blog”. For example, “artemisinin dog cancer blog”. I would also have you check into oral and injectable neoplasene with your vet (also in the blog) for after the chemo.
The fish oil, although nice, would not be the very first thing I would use, but can be added as an addition to all of the above.
Diet, life quality enhancement, self esteem building, increasing social outlets are all part of a full spectrum plan.
Best,
Dr D

]]> By: Mark http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-2267 Mark Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:17:40 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-2267 Hi Dr. Dressler, I have a 12 yr old Blue Tick Coonhound “Bleu” that has been diagnosed with Transitional Cell Carcinoma (Bladder). He is otherwise very healthy and playful, and this is the first health issue in his 12 yrs. We started him on Chemotherapy “Mitoxantrone” combined with Deramaxx. I also started him on K9 Immunity and Transfer Factor, and also wanted to start him on Omega 3,6,9 Fish Oil. Do you see any issues with giving him the Omega supplement along with the Chemo. Will it have any adverse reactions, or negative benefits? Also, if you know of any other supplements, or treatments for this type of cancer, please let me know. Thanks so much for the service you provide. Have a great day! ~Mark Hi Dr. Dressler,
I have a 12 yr old Blue Tick Coonhound “Bleu” that has been diagnosed with Transitional Cell Carcinoma (Bladder). He is otherwise very healthy and playful, and this is the first health issue in his 12 yrs.

We started him on Chemotherapy “Mitoxantrone” combined with Deramaxx. I also started him on K9 Immunity and Transfer Factor, and also wanted to start him on Omega 3,6,9 Fish Oil. Do you see any issues with giving him the Omega supplement along with the Chemo. Will it have any adverse reactions, or negative benefits?

Also, if you know of any other supplements, or treatments for this type of cancer, please let me know.

Thanks so much for the service you provide.
Have a great day!
~Mark

]]> By: Lisa http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-1837 Lisa Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:07:41 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-1837 I have an 11 year old Austrailian Shepherd/Cattle Dog mix. 3 weeks ago we found a very large mediastinal mass that seems to be on his thymic gland. The doctor thinks it could be Lymphoma. Surgery is not an option as it seems to have possibly attached itself to the heart or lungs (it is very large). My husband and I do not want to do chemotherapy as he hates to go to the vet and has Inflammatory Bowel Disease which flares up everytime he goes there. He would be absolutely miserable. We have him on Prednisone right now, but I was wondering if any of your non tradional methods are good for this situation or do they only work in conjunction with chemotherapy? If so, what do you recommend? I have an 11 year old Austrailian Shepherd/Cattle Dog mix. 3 weeks ago we found a very large mediastinal mass that seems to be on his thymic gland. The doctor thinks it could be Lymphoma. Surgery is not an option as it seems to have possibly attached itself to the heart or lungs (it is very large). My husband and I do not want to do chemotherapy as he hates to go to the vet and has Inflammatory Bowel Disease which flares up everytime he goes there. He would be absolutely miserable. We have him on Prednisone right now, but I was wondering if any of your non tradional methods are good for this situation or do they only work in conjunction with chemotherapy? If so, what do you recommend?

]]> By: Dr. Dressler http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-1523 Dr. Dressler Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:48:34 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-1523 Pat, have you downloaded the Dog Cancer Survival Guide? Pamidronate, Samarium, and palliative radiation are the new ones. The supplement section (luteolin, curcumin, EGCG, etc) would be good for you. I posted on some of these right here on this blog so you can search for them either by googling dog cancer ________ (search term in blank), or by using the search bar on the top of the blog page. Best, D Pat,
have you downloaded the Dog Cancer Survival Guide? Pamidronate, Samarium, and palliative radiation are the new ones. The supplement section (luteolin, curcumin, EGCG, etc) would be good for you. I posted on some of these right here on this blog so you can search for them either by googling dog cancer ________ (search term in blank), or by using the search bar on the top of the blog page.
Best,
D

]]> By: Pat L http://www.dogcancerblog.com/can-i-give-supplements-with-chemotherapy/comment-page-1/#comment-1482 Pat L Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:03:01 +0000 http://www.dogcancerblog.com/?p=580#comment-1482 I have a dog with osteosarchoma. It was operated on over a year ago but appears to be coming back. He had a small bump on his head, is very tender behind the ear closest to the surgery location, and appears to have some problem with his smelling as it is really getting hard to get him to eat unless we force a piece down him and he gets the taste of it. I have been giving him Artemisinin for a couple of months now, pulsing 5 days on and 5 days off. I was really surprised when the bump just vanished and was hopeful the Artemisinin was really going to work. Maybe the artemisinin will work if given enough time (I'm keeping my fingers crossed). I just need to know if there are any other things I should be giving him to better the odds. I have him on vitamins suggested by the Artemisinin seller. I had him on K9 Immunity earlier but am doing just the vitamins now. The Artemisinin is confusing because there are several derivatives of the product and I really don't know which one I should be using for the best effect. Right now, I'm just using the Artemisinin itself. The surgeon said there was no chance of another operation. Chemotherapy does not appear to give him a chance at a very long life with this type of cancer. I cannot afford another cat scan. There are no oncology clinics in my area and it would be very hard for me to commute down the hill (about 70 miles one way) as many times as needed to do the radiation (if it would even work). I would really appreciate any insight you might have as to any new types of therapy that could be used to fight his cancer or any other suggestions regarding medications. Thank you so much! I have a dog with osteosarchoma. It was operated on over a year ago but appears to be coming back. He had a small bump on his head, is very tender behind the ear closest to the surgery location, and appears to have some problem with his smelling as it is really getting hard to get him to eat unless we force a piece down him and he gets the taste of it. I have been giving him Artemisinin for a couple of months now, pulsing 5 days on and 5 days off. I was really surprised when the bump just vanished and was hopeful the Artemisinin was really going to work. Maybe the artemisinin will work if given enough time (I’m keeping my fingers crossed). I just need to know if there are any other things I should be giving him to better the odds. I have him on vitamins suggested by the Artemisinin seller. I had him on K9 Immunity earlier but am doing just the vitamins now. The Artemisinin is confusing because there are several derivatives of the product and I really don’t know which one I should be using for the best effect. Right now, I’m just using the Artemisinin itself.

The surgeon said there was no chance of another operation. Chemotherapy does not appear to give him a chance at a very long life with this type of cancer. I cannot afford another cat scan. There are no oncology clinics in my area and it would be very hard for me to commute down the hill (about 70 miles one way) as many times as needed to do the radiation (if it would even work).

I would really appreciate any insight you might have as to any new types of therapy that could be used to fight his cancer or any other suggestions regarding medications.

Thank you so much!

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